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Well, that's very well said, and it comes back to your poem on the pressures and difficulties of moderation.

I really enjoyed this conversation. I think, Hannah and Kaetan, I think your book offers such an important historical perspective on issues that, as you both said, are now ever-present with us, and issues that are actually only going to grow in importance in coming years as we try to figure out what's happened in the last few years in American society, and as we try to move forward as an international community from this moment.

I want to thank you both for joining us today.

Thank you, Jeremi.

Thank you so much for having us.

And I want to encourage all of our listeners to read their wonderful book, Whistleblowing Nation, the History of National Security Disclosures and the Cult of State Secrecy. It's available in paperback, and it has really wonderful case studies as well as an overview chapter and a concluding chapter, that I think allow listeners to learn more about the subject, and also dig into topics and figures like Ralph Nader, like Edward Snowden, like Judith Miller, the journalist who was in prison for protecting her sources, and many other cases that I think will be really interesting for our listeners.

I want to thank Zachary for his poem as always, and most of all, thank you to our listeners for joining us for this episode of This Is Democracy.

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Thank you for joining us from Berlin today for this discussion.

Well, it's been a pleasure, and now I'll look up your podcast more often.

I hope you will.

I will.

And Zachary, thank you, as always for a moving poem in two languages this time. You keep outdoing yourself every week and most of all, thank you to our listeners. And I do want to encourage everyone to pick up a copy of Susan's book. It's now in paperback, Learning from the Germans. The title, very easy to remember.

Thank you for joining us for this episode of This Is Democracy.

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You've really shared so much with us today. Thank you.

Yeah, for sure. You as well. I'm inspired by young people like Zachary who are taking this seriously. I know we'll do great things.

It's so true. Zachary and his generation are a new greatest generation in the making. We're fortunate to have them as part of our podcast.

We're particularly fortunate to have Zachary's poems every week. Thank you for your Port Huron revisited reflections, Zachary. Most of all, thank you to our audience for working hard to improve and expand our democracy every day.

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Sean, this was fantastic. You offer such detailed and insightful knowledge on Congress and related political matters. And you're so good at explaining things and also making it fun and interesting, so thank you, Sean, for joining us today.

Oh, thank you for having me on, Jeremi. It's a pleasure talking to you and Zachary today. And Zachary, thank you for your poem, as always, and most of all, thank you to our listeners for joining us for this episode of This is Democracy.

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Jim and Josh, thank you so much for sharing your insights with us today. You've given us a bookshelf worth of history in about 40 minutes, which is really extraordinary. So thank you so much.

And thank you most of all, or equally as much, thank you to our audience for joining us for this week of This Is Democracy.

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I think there's a lot to that. And there's a lot between cynicism and the utopia. You talked about it in your poem, right? I think, I think Mark's book shows that there actually are. There's a lot that can be done in between maybe that's, what's abandoned because of the obsession with Vietnam. Mark, this has been a really insightful conversation. I encourage everyone to go out and read and read your book and buy it and give it away as gifts as well. The End of Ambition: The United States and the Third World in the Vietnam era. Mark, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much, Jeremi. And thank you, Zachary.

Zachary, Zachary. Thank you for your poem and thank you. Most of all, to our listeners for joining us for this episode of This is Democracy.

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We have that conversation quite often. And our listeners often tell me that too. Mark, thank you so much for joining us and for writing this book, I wanna remind our listeners, it's Incomparable Grace by Mark Updegrove, and it's a fantastic book. It's a thoughtful and deep read, but also a quick read.

And I encourage you to, and a quick read in the best sense in that it's a book you don't put down and you begin it, in New York City and you land in Los Angeles and you've finished it, which is the mark of a good book in my mind. Mark. Congratulations.

Jeremi, Zachary. Thanks so much. It's been a delightful conversation.

Thank you, Zachary for your poem, and thank you most of all, to our loyal listeners for joining us for this week's episode of This Is Democracy.

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I want to encourage all of our listeners, who I'm sure are equally inspired by what you've heard, to read the book, because there's so much more in this book. As I'm sure all of you can tell [by] listening, Dr. Simmons is also a very talented writer, as well as a talented thinker and leader. The title of the book is Up Home, One Girl's Journey, and it's available everywhere for purchase, I'm sure.

Dr. Simmons, thank you again for joining us today.

Thank you. It's been a pleasure.

Zachary, thank you for your really beautiful poem, your insights. I think you brought together some of the points we were discussing very well and applied them to your own experience as a student. So thank you, Zachary, and thank you most of all to our loyal listeners for joining us for this episode of This Is Democracy.

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Yes, I think that's very well said, Marc, and a very nice connection to one of the central issues of our world today, which is the inequalities in food and nutritional access across, within countries and across countries. Of course, this brings us full circle, as always, to, in some ways, the inspiration for our podcast, which is Franklin Roosevelt. We started this podcast with his inspiration for how each generation writes a new chapter in the book of democracy. And, as always, the new chapters build on old chapters. Chapters that might have been forgotten before. Marc, you have in your book, Pax Economica, that I recommend to all of our listeners, you have reminded us of such an important chapter in the evolution of Anglo American and international democracy in the 19th and 20th centuries. A chapter that seems more relevant than ever in this neo mercantilist age, as you call it. Thank you so much for joining us this week, Marc, and sharing your insights with us.

Thank you so much again for having me and for this great conversation. It's a pleasure.

And Zachary, thank you for your poem. Your image of us sailing is still very prominent in my mind throughout our conversation. And thank you, of course, most of all, to our loyal listeners for joining us for this episode of This Is Democracy.

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Well, I think that's the subject for another show. But I also deeply appreciate, Sam, you're reflecting on that and you're displaying what I think is essential to being a serious historian and writer, which is to take the past on its own terms, but also think about the past in light of the present. That's not anachronistic. That's actually why every generation rewrites the history of what came before. Sam, thank you so much for being with us today.

Well, Jeremi and Zachary, thank you. It's been such an honor to be with you and such a pleasure to talk about these issues that I care so much about.

I want to encourage all of our listeners to get a copy or two copies of Sam's book, Into the Bright Sunshine: Young Hubert Humphrey and the Fight for Civil Rights. Zachary, thank you for your poem and your insights today.

Thank you.

And thank you most of all to our loyal listeners and our loyal subscribers to our Substack for joining us for this week of This Is Democracy.

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Yes, Zachary, thank you. Thank you, Zachary, for your insightful comments and your thoughtful poem as always. Thank you most of all to our loyal listeners and loyal subscribers to our Substack for joining us for this, our 299th episode of This Is Democracy. We will join you with a special 300th episode soon. But for now, thank you for joining us for This Is Democracy.

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That more than anything else is why citizens need to pay attention, vote and elect members of Congress who care about these issues, less about whether they're from your party or not and more about whether they have the requisite knowledge, integrity, and commitment to address these issues as Clay and Zachary have laid them out so well. I think today we've learned so much about the role of Congress and how crucial Congress is to questions of war and peace in our society. Clay, thank you so much for sharing your research with us.

Thank you, guys.

Zachary, thank you for your as always stunning poem.

Budding Beatnik.

Yes, Zachary, he's a budding Beatnik in the 21st century. So much fun and thank you all for joining us on This is Democracy.

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